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Sensors and Home Automation => Home automation => Topic started by: bwainscott on August 19, 2014, 10:55:58 pm
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This was added as a thermostat without any problem. The general almond+ thermostat support seems a bit limited, but I expect that is the same for all the thermostats at the moment. I can turn on heat or cool, and set the heating and cooling temps....but I can't turn it off! There are options for "auto", "heat", "cool" but no option to choose "none of these". I like the options there are, but would love two more: "off" and "run program" (to just use the temps I programmed into the thermostat manually).
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Out of curiosity, where did you purchase this model? I'm seriously considering replacing my current thermostat with this model.
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:-[ :-\ That's actually quite embarrassing and I'll be bringing this up with the software team ASAP.
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I bought it through Amazon. It was about $150. Relatively easy to install, and seems to work -- I only installed it 12 hours ago, but did force the AC and heat and they both worked. The UI is simple to use. Provided I get many years of trouble free use, I think it is a good choice.
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Just a shame about the very obvious Z-Wave logo on the front, not so pretty...
I've passed on both of your suggestions to the software team, with the off button being a critical request to get that fixed ASAP.
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Lars -- thanks. In the mean time if I need it off I'll turn the heater on with a set temp of 50 degrees F or something.
BTW -- I know it shows the big zwave logo on the images, but mine has no logo on it. There is room for the logo, but it is blank (which is much better). There may be a sticker in the box or something that they want you to put on, but of course I won't.
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Also, Amazon sells this with the THP9045 wiresaver module, did you have to use it?
I'm asking because my house only has 4 wires to the thermostat: Red (Red and jumpered to Rc), White, Yellow, Green. I'm missing the common "C" wire and this video (http://youtu.be/UYI8fWNsBys) shows how to get around that limitation. I haven't poked around my own unit to see how complicated this would be to install.
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It's not that hard. You swap the wires Y to C and G to K and put the other two in the same colors, then you unscrew the wires from your furnace and put them into the top of the wire saver (same wiring as done on your thermostat). then run the 5 wires from the bottom part of the wire saver to the furnace and match the letters for r g y c and w. That's all assuming you have a regular a/c and furnace like I do, I think heat pumps have a little different wiring.
Personally, I just bought the 18/5 cable and snaked it up the wall instead but it was pretty easy for me.
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Well well well!
I was looking at my thermostat cable, and in addition to the Red, White, Green and Yellow wires that go to my existing thermostat, I noticed there was a brown and a blue wire that was cut short, but not connected to anything.
After hemming and hawing, crawled up into the attic where the furnace was, and found the brown and blue wires weren't connected to anything on that end either. I repurposed the blue wire by connecting it to the "Cc" terminal and now I have a 24 VAC common wire at the thermostat mounting point. Now I can use these new fancy thermostats like the Nest, the Lyric, or this Honeywell Z-Wave unit.
Woohoo DIY!
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Just a shame about the very obvious Z-Wave logo on the front, not so pretty...
My order for this thermostat arrived today, but I'm not installing it until next week when that the paint job for that wall is done.
Just to note, the Z-Wave logo is a sticker that was in the foam bag the unit came in.
Also, I'm not sticking it on.
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Yep, all of mine are sticker-free too. Looks way better. Glad to hear you had all the wires already.
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Hehe, good thing they had enough taste to leave the sticker as an optional thing, as it looks terrible.
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Those of you guys who got the Honeywell YTH8320ZW1007 Thermostat working on your Almond+, mind if you give me some insight?
I put my Almond+ in the "Add Sensor" mode and then try adding my thermostat on the "rf10" system setting. However, my thermostat just stays on the "Adding device..." message and does not end up connecting with my Almond+. The Almond+ does not react at all. My thermostat is refurbished so I've reset the system and tried again but still getting stuck on the "Adding device..." message.
Any thoughts?
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Those of you guys who got the Honeywell YTH8320ZW1007 Thermostat working on your Almond+, mind if you give me some insight?
I put my Almond+ in the "Add Sensor" mode and then try adding my thermostat on the "rf10" system setting. However, my thermostat just stays on the "Adding device..." message and does not end up connecting with my Almond+. The Almond+ does not react at all. My thermostat is refurbished so I've reset the system and tried again but still getting stuck on the "Adding device..." message.
Any thoughts?
I also have this problem. How did you guys add the thermostat to Almond? Mine just says 'Adding device' and a 'Wait' blinking on the thermostat.
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Can you try to do a remove before you do an add as this resets the Z-Wave radio in the thermostat. Note that resetting the thermostat alone, doesn't reset the Z-Wave part.
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Can you try to do a remove before you do an add as this resets the Z-Wave radio in the thermostat. Note that resetting the thermostat alone, doesn't reset the Z-Wave part.
The default selection on the thermostat is actually 'remove'. You have to choose either '0' for remove or '1' for add…its already on '0' when you go to that section.
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You're missing my point here.
Use the remove option on the Almond+, then on the thermostat.
The way Z-Wave works is that a gateway/controller has to release a sensor/device or it won't be able to be re-connected.
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You're missing my point here.
Use the remove option on the Almond+, then on the thermostat.
The way Z-Wave works is that a gateway/controller has to release a sensor/device or it won't be able to be re-connected.
Yes..I actually did that too. 'Remove All Sensors' from Almond+. Even rebooted it. I reset the thermostat to factory settings..and even remove its power and battery. I also tried doing it where the almond+ is like 1 feet from the thermostat...since I saw that you mentioned that on another thread.
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Ok, let's do this really slow.
Almond+, Add Sensor, remove. Not Remove all.
Thermostat, remove from Z-Wave gateway.
You should see a message on the Almond+ LCD that an unknown sensor has been removed.
Now the thermostat should be ready to be added again.
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Ok, let's do this really slow.
Almond+, Add Sensor, remove. Not Remove all.
Thermostat, remove from Z-Wave gateway.
You should see a message on the Almond+ LCD that an unknown sensor has been removed.
Now the thermostat should be ready to be added again.
really appreciate your help Lars..but like I said, I did that and most combinations I could think of.
I was able to fix it though. To ardub and anyone who might buy this used/refurbished…and having the same problem. you need to reseat the Zwave module from the back of the thermostat. It is covered by a white plastic cover..just pop it out..pop out the module and reinsert it. Apparently, merely restoring to factory settings and removing the battery will not reset the zwave setting. reseating the module is what did it for me.
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I think it's important to note for other people that everything you said you did was not resetting the z-wave status on your thermostat until you took out the z-wave chip and forced it to reset on the thermostat. The confusion I think was that you needed to actually set "remove" to 1 and you assumed that 0 meant that it was already in exclusion mode.
The default section on the honeywell is not remove, it only shows that when it thinks it's already paired to a network. By changing the remove setting to 1, it then enters exclusion mode. It will show add when it is properly not thinking it's in a network already, and changing the add to 1 enters inclusion mode. I have three of these thermostats too and the honeywell ui for doing these operations is a bit clunky but is defined in the manual.
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I didn't have any problem with mine at all, but it was brand new. Hopefully a "remove then add" will fix your issues -- that would make sense if it had previously been part of someone else's Zwave network.
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I think it's important to note for other people that everything you said you did was not resetting the z-wave status on your thermostat until you took out the z-wave chip and forced it to reset on the thermostat. The confusion I think was that you needed to actually set "remove" to 1 and you assumed that 0 meant that it was already in exclusion mode.
The default section on the honeywell is not remove, it only shows that when it thinks it's already paired to a network. By changing the remove setting to 1, it then enters exclusion mode. It will show add when it is properly not thinking it's in a network already, and changing the add to 1 enters inclusion mode. I have three of these thermostats too and the honeywell ui for doing these operations is a bit clunky but is defined in the manual.
yeah.. merely 'resetting' (0710) the thermostat didn't do it for me. I had to pull the Zwave module itself for the Zwave to actually reset its status. You would think though that doing the 0710 system reset would clear things up. That is what the manual says its for. So I think in my case, my unit just had a weird glitch.
There's no dedicated 'REMOVE' setting on the thermostat. You pick 'rf10' then either select '1' to enroll /add the thermostat to your zwave controller or '0' to remove it from the zwave network. Mine was on '0' which is the default (according to the manual). When I pressed the up arrow to select '1', it just got stuck on 'Adding device…'. and you can't do anything else until you reset the circuit breaker.
All technicalities aside though..if anyone is having the same problem, pulling the zwave module might do the trick :)
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Right, I was thinking how if you go to rf10, if the thermostat is already included the top of the screen says "select to remove" and if it isn't it says "select to add". If that didn't work that's strange, as I had bought a used one off ebay and it had worked great after a remove/add.
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to Lars and Almond team..the thermostat app looks great..love the minimalist design! I do have a feature request/suggestion for future updates..is it possible to have the temperature value display in real time while you slide the sliders? As of this version, you have to estimate the position of the slider to the temperature you're aiming for and it won't show until you click 'save' or 'refresh' (on the desktop version).
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Thanks to skwakk's suggestion, I got my Honeywell thermostat working as well. Removing the plastic piece on the back of the thermostat was easier with a small flathead screwdriver. Taking the Z-Wave module out alone didn't solve the problem, I had to remove the battery for a little while too before I got the thermostat to connect to the Almond+.
Looking forward to being able to control it from the iPhone app!
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Any update on the request for real time temperature update when sliding to change the temp?
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I've passed it on to the software team.
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Hey Lars,
There's also a "Circ" (circulation) mode for the fan on this thermostat. I'm not sure if it's a standard mode on other thermostats but basically, it turns on the fan every once in a while to circulate air in your house. Currently, there is no setting for this fan mode on the Almond app -- could I request this as a feature? Thanks!
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How is the new android app working out with this thermostat? Any good news?
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Could you use this thermostat to control a split system?