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Sensors and Home Automation => Home automation => Topic started by: mparadis on January 15, 2015, 03:25:24 pm
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Officially unveiled by Cree, for ~$15 a zigbee light bulb compatible with wink. Be interested in seeing if it works out of the box with A+ since the GE Link bulbs are working and did so. I don't know any of the technical aspects of the bulbs other than what was provided in this article http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/crees-smart-light-bulb-costs-15/ . I'm sure there is more information out there. It seems it will be sold at home depot.
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I might have to get one to compare to the GE Link bulbs...
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Teardown of the non connected version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jtx7jhZLNM
Their connected bulb is using this chipset http://www.atmel.com/devices/ATSAMR21G18A.aspx so it might not be compatible, yet...
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Just bought a set of 5, tried them, they turned on...but didnt show anywhere on Almond+. They -did- just get released in stores today I believe...so they havent had much test time yet....and they state they are ZigBee certified...so Im hoping someone will figure these bad boys out....they are quite a nice bulb.
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I wonder if you have to reset the bulb first. I had to reset the GE Link bulb before I was able to connect it to the Almond. Here are the instructions from the Cree FAQ page to reset it:
If you have successfully set up your compatible hub, but cannot get a Cree® Connected LED bulb to pair with the hub in the applicable app, you can factory reset your bulbs. To do this, install your bulb in a light fixture and turn it on. (Tip – for best results, install the bulb where you can turn the power off at a wall switch.) Turn the light switch on and off at two second intervals until the light blinks once to indicate it has reset. This should happen at the 4th full on-off cycle. You can then turn the light off and pair the bulb with your hub via the mobile App.
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The Cree lightbulb connected to my A+ without a hitch. All I had to do was to power on the bulb, and then I added the new sensor to my A+.
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http://forum.securifi.com/index.php/topic,2594.15.html
This thread has people less successful than you are. What firmware version are you running?
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This might help, even though it's not related to our product, but rather bout how to add the Cree bulbs to a Hue hub - https://gigaom.com/2015/01/28/how-to-add-15-cree-lights-to-your-pricey-philips-hue-system/
Apparently the trick is to leave the Cree bulb off, start the pairing process on the Hue hub and then switch the bulb on.
So on the Almond+ I guess you should tap on Add first, then switch the bulb on and they should pair.
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Not sure which of the Threads about the Cree Connected bulb I should put this on so I will try this one. I bought my first Cree bulb today and when I got it to connect (Lars was right, start the pairing process on the A+ then turn on the bulb) I can turn it on and off but the dimming functions don't work. According to the app the bulb is at 0% and when I try to change it It says "could not connect, please try again" and goes back to 0% even though the dim level did change. Is this something with my bulb or is it an A+ problem?
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What happens if you try it via the LCD UI?
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Looks like it can be hard to find them, because they're not always on display... I bet Cree must be happy about that...
I also picked up two $15 Cree Connected ZigBee bulbs—brand new at Home Depot. The sales associate had to get them down off an upper shelf as they were not on display yet.
http://zatznotfunny.com/2015-01/philips-hue-and-zigbee/
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I just read the same article. Was the same with the GE bulbs. I went to pick them up first day they were available and the store didn't even know what they were till I showed them their website showing in stock. They were very friendly and got them down for me once they located them.
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These are ZigBee compatible. Are these supported or will they be? Any additional equipment required?
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http://forum.securifi.com/index.php/topic,2514.msg10540.html#msg10540
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I just read the same article. Was the same with the GE bulbs. I went to pick them up first day they were available and the store didn't even know what they were till I showed them their website showing in stock. They were very friendly and got them down for me once they located them.
Yep, same here. What is the pairing process? My A+ just says no hub connected, so I am doing it wrong.
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As per my post above:
Apparently the trick is to leave the Cree bulb off, start the pairing process on the Hue hub and then switch the bulb on.
So on the Almond+ I guess you should tap on Add first, then switch the bulb on and they should pair.
You do this under ZigBee Z-Wave, not under Hue, i.e. the top option should be greyed out and you should see the option of Add, Remove and Remove all Sensors on the LCD screen.
The Hue options are only if you have a Hue hub already and want to connect that to the Almond+ for your Hue bulbs.
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Thank You, works great.
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Wow !!!! I can't believe for once , I am not the one that had an issue. Local Big Orange finally had them in stock, so I grabbed one just to test . ( running out of light sockets that don't already have either TCP or GE bulbs , or on a connected switch). The card in the pkg said to install the light, but leave it off until after you start to pair. I did that and although a lot slower than the GE bulbs and no blinking or other indication it was pairing it did pair with A+ fine. Showed up as a multilevel switch .
I can dim it fine through either the app or the LCD, BUT it does not show the proper power level. If I slide down to say 25% it will dim, then the slide indicator goes back to 99% even though the bulb remains at the 25%. Turning it off/on, it returns to the prior brightness although always showing 99%. To adjust brightness just ignore the percentage reading and slide up/down until it is at the brightness level you want.
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A lot of the light bulb/dimmer related stuff for ZigBee has been fixed in the next firmware release, although it might not be spot on yet for some bulbs. The GE ones seems to be nigh on perfect now, but we still need to work a bit on the WeMo bulbs. As I don't have a Cree bulb yet, I don't know how well it'll work with them.
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Well I just installed R070 and while Cree bulb works, still not properly reading the brightness level (always reads 99%, except when adjusting slider) . Web UI gives a pop up to refresh and try again. Android App allows 1 change then "could not connect please try again" . I need to close out of the app and re=open it to adjust the lamp again.
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Well, we haven't actually gotten a bulb yet, so there's no "official" support as yet. Still, very odd behaviour, but we should be able to get that fixed as soon as our team get their hands on a bulb. I know we've ordered some, not sure when we're getting them.
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Well, we haven't actually gotten a bulb yet, so there's no "official" support as yet. Still, very odd behaviour, but we should be able to get that fixed as soon as our team get their hands on a bulb. I know we've ordered some, not sure when we're getting them.
The only reason I bought one, was I happened to be at Big Orange and saw the display. I remembered you mentioning you did not have one yet. I figured I could afford the $14 to play guinea pig and test it out. It took me a while to figure out where to put it. I don't really need automation/remote control of the lamp on the end table :) .
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Well, at least it's a cheap toy to play with and it should written with the rules too.
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That is the exact reason I got my GE Link's originally... Cheap enough to just try it out and it is a very obvious "feedback" mechanism. I may end up getting a CREE at this point just to check out the differences.
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In case anyone is interested I just stumbled across this video. It talks about the pinouts within the CREE light bulb that make it very easy to hack into another project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE-yrFMJDXo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE-yrFMJDXo)
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Subject line says it all. I did a search and didn't find any mention of it. 60W equivalent for 11.5W, E26 base, A19 format. Claims compatible with Wink, Zigbee format.
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There is a thread in the Home Automation section about them:
http://forum.securifi.com/index.php/topic,2514.0.html (http://forum.securifi.com/index.php/topic,2514.0.html)
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Topics merged.
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I just picked one up today from Home Depot, and once I moved it a bit closer, I was able to pair it easily. Shows up on the touchscreen & web UI, and then after a delay, on the app. I can successfully adjust on/off via all UI, but dimming is odd. It often misreports, and the iPhone app offers 0-255%, and it only works (sometimes) between 0-99.
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We're working on fixing all of that.
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i updated to 70as on the router and .3 for the android app. i can not control these bulba with the app or web interface anymore. i am able to use the touchscreen to turn them on and off. anyone else?
edit. putting in the factory reset procedure just for future reference.
To do this, just turn the bulb on and off at the light switch four times in rapid succession with a two second pause in each position. The fourth time the light comes on it will flicker once and you'll be able to add the bulb to whatever ZigBee hub you choose.
after performing a reset and re adding them to the almond i can control them from the app again.
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The touchscreen and web app are working fine for my Cree bulb. My Almond iOS app refuses to start now. Not sure if related to the new update or not.
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The cloud was down but it is up now, at least for me, so try again that may have been the issue.
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Yeah, that must have been it. Working now on iOS for my Cree bulb. Is there a status page somewhere?
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Usually it is posted on here, Lars was on a plane so it wasn't this time as he was caught unawares originally. If you try to log into the connect.securifi website, it'll say the cloud is down if the cloud is down. I think the apps will eventually too, at least I think it was mentioned that they would eventually.
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I think my issue may be rules related. I have a rule set to turn both of my cree bulbs on at say 7pm, i tested quite a bit today and turned the lights on and off with the app and made sure they dimmed just fine. after the rule triggered neither light is operable with the app. but the touchscreen still works. maybe something to investigate.
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Yeah, that must have been it. Working now on iOS for my Cree bulb. Is there a status page somewhere?
Not yet, but it's something that we're planning on adding.
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I think my issue may be rules related. I have a rule set to turn both of my cree bulbs on at say 7pm, i tested quite a bit today and turned the lights on and off with the app and made sure they dimmed just fine. after the rule triggered neither light is operable with the app. but the touchscreen still works. maybe something to investigate.
Android or iOS?
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android. i'm sure it's not the apps fault, i can't use the web interface or connect.securifi.com's interface to control the bulbs either. just the touchscreen.
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Ok, I've passed it on to the software team. Not sure if we got a cree bulb yet or not though.
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I am certain that rules for controlling the cree bulbs were working near perfectly on fw R070.
I will run the following test in a few hours:
1. unpair bulbs with the interface or factory reset and remove sensor.
2. re-pair bulbs.
3. test with touchscreen, local web interface, 3.15b android app, connect.securifi.com interface and verify the bulbs are all controllable.
4. set up a rule that turns the bulbs on at a specific time.
5. test the bulbs with the local web interface, 3.15b android app, connect.securifi.com interface and verify the bulbs are all controllable.
6. allow the rule to run. (previously this resulted in the bulbs not turning on at the specified time and breaking functionality of all of the control methods listed except for the touchscreen)
7. test the bulbs with the local web interface, 3.15b android app, connect.securifi.com interface and verify the bullbs are all controllable.
8. post results to this thread.
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1. test with touchscreen, local web interface, 3.15b android app, connect.securifi.com interface and verify the bulbs are all controllable.
result: touchscreen works for two cree connected bulbs, app, web portal and web interface fail to control bulbs.
2. unpair bulbs with the interface or factory reset and remove sensor.
3. re pair bulb.
4. test the bulb with the local web interface, 3.15b android app, connect.securifi.com interface and verify the bulb is controllable.
result: touchscreen works for controlling the bulb, app, web portal and web interface fail to control bulb.
5. set up a rule that turns the bulb on at a specific time.
6. allow the rule to run.
result: bulb turns on and off per rule actions. repeated 2 times with success.
7. test the bulb with the local web interface, 3.15b android app, connect.securifi.com interface and verify the bulb is controllable.
result: touchscreen works for controlling the bulb, app, web portal and web interface fail to control bulb.
Consensus: rules work, manual control works, cloud side doesn't work.
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I brought this bug up before with the Cree bulbs. You are only allowed 1 action. Not an issue if you are controlling with the app, since you can use your 1 action to turn the light on/off, then exit out of the app. Relaunch the app and you get your 1 action back. I had not tried using a rule on the Crees , but it makes since that since the bulbs always show on/off 99% , that having a rule activate them would lock you out, until you disconnected/reconnected to them. ( at least in my head it does)
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Were the zigbee transmit power levels were changed in R070as? It seems like from the touch screen i have to tap the button 10-100 times for the action to take effect.
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Unfortunately it doesn't seem like we were able to get hold of one, so for now, we can't really fine tune the support for these bulbs.
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What prevents you from getting one? Is it shipping to another country that is the trouble? I can pick mine up in person at HD or order them online here in Seattle rather easily.
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More or less, yes.
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I have to go shopping today, and Home Depot is on the list of stops. Give me an address and I'll mail one to them.
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I have to go shopping today, and Home Depot is on the list of stops. Give me an address and I'll mail one to them.
Thanks, see your PM inbox.
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Guys...has anyone confirmed Cree connected compat? I see it on the list, but many posts are old, and other than 'start with light off',there seems to be no consensus. Using the touchscreen, I am attempting to add a sensor, but it will not come up, on or off. Directly plugged in to outlet, standard lamp, bulb works. Please! Surely someone has solved this, since these are on your approved list. Lars?
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I don't have one yet so I can't really help, sorry. :-\
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Three of them are working fine for me. If you already turned it on and off before pairing, you may have issues, and should follow the steps mentioned on the first page: "Turn the light switch on and off at two second intervals until the light blinks once to indicate it has reset. This should happen at the 4th full on-off cycle. You can then turn the light off and pair the bulb with your hub"
I had that issue with my first one. If you keep them off until you are on the add screen, then turn it on for the first time when it tells you to pair them, it works just fine.
Nick
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Tried to cycle, will try again. Does it matter if lamp is one of those you have to twist stem twice to switch? And there is nothing at all to activate on bulb? Bc I saw one post talking about removing base, etc. Thank you, Nick!
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Ok! Got a fresh one to work. Still haven't been able to reset 1st, but now have faith! Thanks again!
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What firmware are you able to pair the cree bulbs with mine won't pair with R072. I've reset them so many times trying to get them to pair.
edit. i just went to the hue menu, hit every button on there, waited for it to say there are no hue controllers, went back to add a sensor , turned a cree bulb on, it showed up right away. finished adding, pressed add sensor again, turned on a second cree bulb and paired the 2nd bulb right away.
I don't know why it's working but i'm glad it is.
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This is really odd. Can you please send us logs, under Help, Send Logs in the LCD UI.
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Certainly, I try to send logs after every main event.
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I don't have one yet so I can't really help, sorry. :-\
Hi Lars. Do you have plans to get one yet? Any time frame in mind for that to happen? Will there eventually be full support, including dimming for these Cree bulbs? I'd prefer to buy them over the GE Link, but only if there will eventually be full support for them. Thanks!
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Went ahead and bought a Cree bulb. It paired on the first try as a regular sensor (Multilevel switch). From the web interface and LCD screen, toggling and dimming seems to work well. From the Android app toggling works well for me. The dimming feature does dim to the selected slider value, but then gives a "Updating sensor data. Please wait. Could not connect. Please try again." error and shows the dimmer slider back at 99%. However, the actual dimming does take place, so apart from waiting approx 10 seconds for the app to return control to the user and living with the slider always showing 99% after a dimming adjustment, it does work.
Pretty happy with the functionality! Hopefully the app glitches get worked out in a future app or Almond firmware version.
On firmware R072.
Edit: Notice that while the dimming works as mentioned above, if you leave the interface page/webpage/android app and come back in, the dimming status always reports 99% rather than the actual dimmed value.
Edit2: From the app I'm seeing toggle updates not be taken properly on the first try. A repeat of the off/on command a second time gets it right. Don't know why I wasn't seeing this before. Other users report it also. Seems to only happen upon first entering the app. After a successful toggle, then subsequent toggles while not leaving the app work fine. Web and LCD interface behavior seem ok for toggling. LCD interface slider always reports 99% even when being slid and adjusted to something else.
Johnny
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R76 - CREE Bulb is suffering the same issues as the GE Link A19 bulb.
It will pair, you can turn it off, you can use the dimmer control to turn it back on.
Sensor status is incorrect in the Android and IOS App. On/Off doesn't report correctly.
Web interface doesn't support slider.