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Sensors and Home Automation => Home automation => Topic started by: sparkygreen on January 13, 2015, 01:01:35 pm
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Purchased this sensor from Amazon. Should offer multi-sensor capability to include motion, light, humidity and temperature. http://www.amazon.com/Aeon-Labs-Aeotec-Z-Wave-Multi-Sensor/dp/B008D5TYGU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421166810&sr=8-1&keywords=aeotec+z-wave
Paired fine, but the Almond+ prompted me to choose which type of sensor (Door, Shock, Motion or Other). I first tried motion and it paired but did not seem to work properly. I couldnt get it to trigger or reset and no mention of temp, light or humidity in senor settings from IOS or Web App.
I deleted and re-paired and selected "other". This one seems to make it work for motion, but still none of the other sensors and nothing to do when motion is detected. Basically a TRUE or FALSE for motion and the ability to reset if TRUE.
The model is DSB05-ZWUS by Aeon Labs. Does anyone know if there will be any future support for this device?
I really like the style and design, but if it will never work with the Almond+ I should go ahead and send it back.
Thanks!
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I heard that Lars has spoken with the guys who make these at CES, and that he got samples to make them to work,
got my eye on those for a year now, as soon as they get some support I'll get one too
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Yeah, we have samples now, so it'll be added, but I don't have an ETA as yet.
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I Hope it will be supported soon !
I think it's a good Z-wave device thanks to his fonctionnalities and the price !
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After R070 update I try to re-connect my 2 Multi-Sensor devices. Now i got motion AND temperature !
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Hi Talard -- when pairing, did you choose "other" as the sensor type? I'm hoping to get as far as you did. Many thanks!
After R070 update I try to re-connect my 2 Multi-Sensor devices. Now i got motion AND temperature !
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Hi MusicPDX !
Nop, I have selected "Motion".
Don't you have the same result ?
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Hi Talard - I saw your post above, and was inspired to order a few of them. They arrive next week! Thank you for the tip on setup!
-Rob
Nop, I have selected "Motion".
Don't you have the same result ?
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I have quite a few of these around my house. One thing to note (could be good or bad depending on your situation) is that they come with a built in 4 minute motion delay. So when it no longer detects motion it waits 4 minutes before reporting the no motion status to Almond. If it detects motion during that 4 minutes, it resets its timer. For me this is exactly what I needed for some of the rules I wanted to set up.
One question though, mine all display temps in Celcius, anyone know how to change this to Fahrenheit?
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Thanks for the heads-up, Blueiris8. I think those delays will be perfect for my uses too (lights in hallways, etc). I'll be using F temperatures too, so I'll post if I find a solution. Cheers
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I've let the software team know that we need a C/F switch for these things. It'll most likely be a global variable.
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I added this sensor as a motion sensor, but all I see is motion detection.. No other variables. Anyone else have this issue? Running R70.
Edit: For some reason the sensor came with batteries that were almost dead, replacing them and re-pairing now shows me the motion status and temperature, but only on the router. Only motion is showing on app and Web Interface.
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I believe only temp and motion are currently supported. The batteries being very low it probably prioritized motion. I read in another forum (not Securifi) that this sensor by default only reports temp and motion when running on battery unless addressed via input from a hub, much like their time setting for this setting, I am not sure how accurate that is though. Has anyone tried this sensor with mains power versus battery?
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Those of you that have these, do they have a power plug so I can have it on a wall-wart in addition to the batteries?
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Yes. Mine hasn't arrived yet but if you check the fact sheet from Aeon labs you will see it does indeed offer main power via micro usb. http://aeotec.com/z-wave-sensor
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I have several of these, but I believe they're only reporting temperature and Securifi is supposed to be working on adding support for the other sensors it contains. Mine are wired for power.
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Thanks. Somehow I missed that on the site. I had some questions for Aeon Labs lately and got their answers just the other day (about future products mostly). Have to see how follow-ups go... But they do have some interesting stuff.
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Those of you that have these, do they have a power plug so I can have it on a wall-wart in addition to the batteries?
don't have mine in front of me right now but if I remember right the USB port would be blocked by the batteries.
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I just got the Gen5 version of this multisensor, which supports ZwavePlus for added range. The sensor pairs, but shows as Unsupported Device. I never saw a prompt for selecting the type of sensor. Did I miss something, or is this the best I can get until support is added?
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I didn't realize they had shipped a new version of this already. If it shows unsupported it must be using a different firmware / chipset than the originals. I don't know if Z wave Plus is backward compatible with non-plus hubs or not.
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Yes, according to the FAQ, it is supposed to be 100% compatible.
http://z-wavealliance.org/z-wave_plus_certification/
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I just got mine a couple weeks age, didn't knoe a new version was coming. Are there any differences, besides Zwave plus?
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This is the first one I've owned, so I can't compare it to the previous version. As far as I understand, the extended wifi range due to Zwave Plus is the only difference.
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I just got the Gen5 version of this multisensor, which supports ZwavePlus for added range. The sensor pairs, but shows as Unsupported Device. I never saw a prompt for selecting the type of sensor. Did I miss something, or is this the best I can get until support is added?
That's an issue on our side, for some reason which I'm not entirely sure about, Z-Wave Plus sensors don't seem to pair properly with the Almond+ at the moment.
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I have three of these sensors in the house. I use battery power, and used the Micro USB input for firmware update via computer. You can download the file from Aeon Labs.
Im impressed with battery life -- mine have been in use for over a month now and still show 100% charge. Seem very efficient
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That's an issue on our side, for some reason which I'm not entirely sure about, Z-Wave Plus sensors don't seem to pair properly with the Almond+ at the moment.
Has the Z-Wave Plus support been improved?
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Has the Z-Wave Plus support been improved?
Bump
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http://www.amazon.com/Aeon-Labs-Aeotec-Z-Wave-Multi-Sensor/dp/B008D5TYGU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421166810&sr=8-1&keywords=aeotec+z-wave
Paired fine, but the Almond+ prompted me to choose which type of sensor (Door, Shock, Motion or Other). I first tried motion and it paired but did not seem to work properly. I couldnt get it to trigger or reset and no mention of temp, light or humidity in senor settings from IOS or Web App.
How do you pair it to Almond+. I have one of this but could never pair it. Please I need a little help here.
Regards
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How do you pair it to Almond+. I have one of this but could never pair it. Please I need a little help here.
Regards
I made a firmware update and now can paired it like motion sensor only. I expect next Almond+ firmware support all sensor functionality.
Regards
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So... this was working as a motion sensor through R076. It also measured humidity, albeit only through the LCD on the almond. Now, in R80, it is recognized through the LCD ONLY, measures humidity, senses motion and luminescence, but is Unrecognized through the web UI, as well as the iOS app ( one of it's many issues). And all rules that involved it are dead. It is "unrecognized by the rules engine.
Am I missing something? Is anyone running this successfully in R80, or do I have to roll back to R76?
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So... this was working as a motion sensor through R076. It also measured humidity, albeit only through the LCD on the almond. Now, in R80, it is recognized through the LCD ONLY, measures humidity, senses motion and luminescence, but is Unrecognized through the web UI, as well as the iOS app ( one of it's many issues). And all rules that involved it are dead. It is "unrecognized by the rules engine.
Am I missing something? Is anyone running this successfully in R80, or do I have to roll back to R76?
Does yours update on R80, mine only seems to show changes to motion. All others including battery seem to only update if I unpair then repair the sensor.
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The only User Interface in which shows the sensor at all is the LCD on the modem itself. The Web UI, the iOS app both show it as "unrecognized". No information is supplied through those interfaces, and the rules have been bricked that previously worked.
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Does anyone have any functionality that has been maintained with this sensor in R80???????????
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Anyone? Are we all just waiting for the next firmware version to restart using the previously operational sensor? I cannot be the only one who has useless sensors now with R80.
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Anyone? Are we all just waiting for the next firmware version to restart using the previously operational sensor? I cannot be the only one who has useless sensors now with R80.
Nop you're not the onely one !
I'm like you, waiting for the new frimware ! where is it ? already 9th and no signe of it. And no roadmap either.
I hope it will help to use again those really good sensor cause we have no guarenties.
I'm really affraid like some other backer that Securifi didn't answer us, it is not a good sign !
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@obmd unfortunately it looks kinder no one is responding to you. Can you reach out to support@securifi.com. They might be able to help you better.
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Done. Not holding my breath. This product is a failure by any objective measure.
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Apparently this is the first they've heard of this. We tried rebooting removing repairing, and no luck. Logs have been sent. We'll see.
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@ All,
We have not added any support for Aeon Labs Aotech Multi-Sensor on other UI's at all. At the time of adding the sensor, if we select it as "Motion Sensor" then as the support is already there for Motion sensor, it will work in all the UI's just as Motion sensor not as Multi sensor. In any case, rest be assured we are adding support for Multi sensor in all the UI's soon.
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:headdesk:
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I have three Aeon multi sensors in the house. Two were set up as motion sensors before R80 and still work fine. However, I cannot get the third paired with A+/R80. Glad this is being addressed, and more importantly that the other sensor capabilities will be recognized soon
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It is not being addressed as far as I can tell. I have three emails that say people are looking into it dating back two weeks. I returned the sensor. I'm looking at a Vera for HA.
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I just got one cannot get it to pair correctly in v80.. maybe their fw changed. I just get unknown device type with a out and get interface on the a+
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This part has been figured out. Pair as a motion sensor. There is no support for the humidity or other data.
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This part has been figured out. Pair as a motion sensor. There is no support for the humidity or other data.
doesn't give the option to select what kinda device just says unknown Now
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Start again. Remove the device and re-pair.
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Did that thus is the screen it comes up with.. no choices.
(http://mail.lgk.com/image1.jpg)
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Before that screen here should be a "type of sensor" selection. I returned mine because securifi wouldn't help me with range issues, otherwise I'd show you. Pick "motion sensor" not "multi sensor"
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Before that screen here should be a "type of sensor" selection. I returned mine because securifi wouldn't help me with range issues, otherwise I'd show you. Pick "motion sensor" not "multi sensor"
ya really what do think I am a newb.. I have about 25 devices hooked up.. if you can be helpful.. As I said the pick device type page does NOT come up.. it goes right to that page.
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fixed this too.... Smart Things V2
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The new firmware R83 stated support for Gen 5 Multisensor from Aeon. Apparently there are 2 version of Gen 5 sensor
the old one
http://www.amazon.com/Aeon-Labs-Aeotec-Z-Wave-Multi-Sensor/dp/B00S68NUSW
the new one
http://aeotec.com/z-wave-sensor
Can anyone clarify which one is supported? I understand Smartthings supports the old one but things are missing for the new one
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ST supports the new one you linked. I can only assume A+ does too...
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Before that screen here should be a "type of sensor" selection. I returned mine because securifi wouldn't help me with range issues, otherwise I'd show you. Pick "motion sensor" not "multi sensor"
You don't own an Almond product? Is that correct?
ST supports the new one you linked. I can only assume A+ does too...
Don't assume anything, check with Securifi Wiki and then Almond Tech support to verify the version supported.
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The new firmware R83 stated support for Gen 5 Multisensor from Aeon. Apparently there are 2 version of Gen 5 sensor
the old one
http://www.amazon.com/Aeon-Labs-Aeotec-Z-Wave-Multi-Sensor/dp/B00S68NUSW
the new one
http://aeotec.com/z-wave-sensor
Can anyone clarify which one is supported? I understand Smartthings supports the old one but things are missing for the new one
I'm running the latest firmware and paired two of the new MultiSensor6 models without issue. "Multi" shows as a device type when pairing. So far so good...
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I have 083 firmware installed on A+ and just paired my new Aeon Labs Multi-Sensor 6 (Gen5 with Zwave-Plus). It got paired as type "MultiSensor".
- "Battery" says 100% (because connected via USB) so that's reasonable.
- "Temperature" reading is too high, says, 78F when should be ~67F.
- "Humidity" reading is a bit to high, says 40%, it should be 26% (I am in California for goodness sake).
- "Luminance" says 0 Lux (with lights on or off), so that doesn't work.
- "Motion Detected" clears out only after 5 minutes.
Do your readings match reality? Do I have a defective unit? Does Luminance work with Almond+?
Thanks,
Andy
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@ Andy,
If you could send us the log files, that would be more helpful for us to diagnose the issue and while sending, please do make sure the Almond+ is not rebooted.
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You don't own an Almond product? Is that correct?
That is incorrect. I am a backer of A+, and in fact went round and round with both securifi and Smart House about this very sensor, and the version that came before it. These issues are far from new.
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That is incorrect. I am a backer of A+, and in fact went round and round with both securifi and Smart House about this very sensor, and the version that came before it. These issues are far from new.
Got it, it was the Sensor that was returned then, not the Almond.
Having read several of your 'solved it, bought a Smart Things' type posts, began to wonder.
The multi sensors in general have been a challenge to implement on the A+ but R83 has absolutely improved the setup/configuration/options/functionality of several multi sensors. I am just now starting to wander down the Aeon Labs path, like some of their products.
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Thanks Ashok! I am not even sure if there's a problem. Btw, my Luminance is no longer 0, maybe the Aeotech MultiSensor 6 needed some time to wake up and soak up the environment after retrieving it from the the amazon box :).
Right now, i am looking at the luminance on the android app, Luminance is at 88 - i am not sure how to verify that - it appears within the right range of orders of magnitute. :) However, the temperature says 74.1 F, while the thermostat (couple feet away in the same room) says 64F (heater is off and i like it nice and cold). Humidity says 28% while the thermostat says 10% (i believe 10% more than 28%). The motion sensor works beautifully.
So, I am just curious - how do you calibrate this thing?
Andy
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Thanks Ashok! I am not even sure if there's a problem. Btw, my Luminance is no longer 0, maybe the Aeotech MultiSensor 6 needed some time to wake up and soak up the environment after retrieving it from the the amazon box :).
Right now, i am looking at the luminance on the android app, Luminance is at 88 - i am not sure how to verify that - it appears within the right range of orders of magnitute. :) However, the temperature says 74.1 F, while the thermostat (couple feet away in the same room) says 64F (heater is off and i like it nice and cold). Humidity says 28% while the thermostat says 10% (i believe 10% more than 28%). The motion sensor works beautifully.
So, I am just curious - how do you calibrate this thing?
Andy
Not so much calibrate as adjust the Z-Wave settings. Not sure if it'll work on this sensor though, as I've had no luck with the equivalent model from Fibaro, but I've managed to change settings on a binary switch.
Go to the sensor on the LCD UI and there's a settings option there that allows you to modify the Z-Wave parameters. Check the Aeon Labs manual for the correct parameters. You can do offset for the temperature, not sure about the rest.
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Go to the sensor on the LCD UI and there's a settings option there that allows you to modify the Z-Wave parameters. Check the Aeon Labs manual for the correct parameters. You can do offset for the temperature, not sure about the rest.
Thanks, Lars! Do you happen to know the syntax of what Almond+ is expecting to see? i.e. anything weird like hex or some pinpinpin=valuevaluevalue;anotherpin=anothervalue?
Anybody else managed to adjust settings on Aeotech Multisensor 6?
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I contacted Aeon support and was given the following link to all of their "gen 5 engineering sheets."
https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000088070-gen5
I checked out the MultiSensor6 doc and it has a boatload of settings you can change; PIR timeout, thresholds for all the sensors as to when to trigger a report, what value constitutes a low battery, you name it. What works with the A+, I'm not sure. Hopefully I can get some time to try this out tomorrow.
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I contacted Aeon support and was given the following link to all of their "gen 5 engineering sheets."
https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000088070-gen5
I checked out the MultiSensor6 doc and it has a boatload of settings you can change; PIR timeout, thresholds for all the sensors as to when to trigger a report, what value constitutes a low battery, you name it. What works with the A+, I'm not sure. Hopefully I can get some time to try this out tomorrow.
I opened a support ticket with Aeon Labs 2 days ago and yesterday (within 24 hours) I got a response with links and instructions from them. I didn't have a chance to try it yet, but once i get to it, i will share my experience. So far, i like the level of Aeon Labs documentation and support, i think i am going to get more of their toys now.
Andy
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I tried a number of settings and didn't have any luck. Kept getting errors in the device history shown in the android app. I ended up removing and resetting the sensor a number of times and several times a few of the sensors were missing in the LCD gui (no "more" button).
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Purchased Aeon Labs Multisensor 6 from Amazon France. Working after a bit of fiddling.
My Almond+ recognized the multisensor right away. Added it as a "multisensor".
Initially, the motion sensor did not work and the other sensors updated after a very long time.
Used the parameters in https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000088070-gen5 (https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000088070-gen5) (thanks @grouter) to:
- Enabled the motion sensor (param 4 ==>1)
- Enabled the selective reporting (param 40 ==>1)
After all was good.
Aeon Labs Multisensor 6 - Z-Wave Plus
http://www.amazon.fr/Aeon-Labs-Multisensor-Z-Wave-Plus/dp/B0141FQDJQ (http://www.amazon.fr/Aeon-Labs-Multisensor-Z-Wave-Plus/dp/B0141FQDJQ)