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Securifi Products => Almond 3S => Topic started by: pdxsk8r on September 27, 2018, 09:06:44 am

Title: Almond 3S: A Step Backwards?
Post by: pdxsk8r on September 27, 2018, 09:06:44 am
Over the weekend I went through the process of migrating all my devices from an Almond+ to the new Almond 3S (Guard).  I have 15 Z-wave devices and 7 Zigbee devices and on the Almond+ I had it configured for Auto-Away and Auto-Home when our iPhones left and joined the network.  When in Away mode, sensors would trigger notifications to our phones, and when home some would trigger a light.  I had about 20 Rules set up and it worked well.

For the Almond 3S, I had to order a separate Z-wave transceiver since the 3S does not have one built in like the Almond+ did.  I decided to go with an Aeotec Z-Stick Gen5 since it got good reviews on Amazon. 

First thing I noticed when I powered on the 3S is the screen is actually smaller than the Almond+ but I figured that wasn't a big deal since I don't use the screen often.

Next I removed (excluded) each device that was paired with the Almond+ using the Almond+.  After that, I took the Almond 3S around my house and added each Z-wave and Zigbee device to it.  Since the 3S has a built-in battery, this was very convenient to do.  I had some trouble pairing some of the Z-wave devices so I made sure to put brand new batteries in each device.  This helped but I still had one Z-wave door sensor which refused to pair, even after multiple excludes so I put it aside.

Now I moved the 3S back to the closet where my Almond+ used to reside.  Here I went and tested all my devices and found out the 3S was not showing activity on several of my door sensors, it wasn't consistently able to control my light switches, and it was not showing temperature updates from my temp sensor.  So I unplugged the 3S and walked around the house, trying all the sensors again.  Here the sensors registered, so it seemed like a range issue.  But I never had this issue with the Almond+.  I figured moving the Z-wave plug-in modules around, which act as repeaters, would help this problem but it did not.  In fact, I put one of the plug-in modules next to one of the switches that the 3S was having trouble communicating with and it made no difference.  I could control the outlet but not the switch unless I brought the 3S close to it.

So I have to ask: are Z-wave repeaters being used properly with the Almond 3S and the Aeotec Z-stick Gen 5?  Does the network "heal" itself?

Currently I am dealing with some sensors registering and others (such as door sensors) inconsistently or not registering.  This has obviously prevented using it to reliably monitor my house while away.  Sure, the LED and Siren are nice additions to the 3S but I cannot really use the ARMing feature whereas on the Almond+ I used AWAY mode reliably.

Some other things I noticed beyond my sensor troubles:
Perhaps some of these features will get added/fixed later.

In summary, I purchased the Almond Guard for a much enhanced security solution but so far it is less capable than the Almond+ I was using.  I really hope there is some reasonable way to resolve my issues (firmware updates?? network healing mode??) without buying all new sensors.

My devices:
5 - Z-wave Plus door sensors
1 - Z-wave temperature sensor
4 - Z-wave switches (in-wall)
3 - Z-wave plug-in outlet modules
2 - Z-wave Flood sensors
1 - Zigbee Motion sensor
2 - Zigbee light bulbs
1 - Zigbee light string
3 - Zigbee Almond clicks (buttons)
1 - Nest thermostat
Title: Re: Almond 3S: A Step Backwards?
Post by: pdxsk8r on September 27, 2018, 05:28:14 pm
My Almond 3S experienced another hang this morning.   :-[  I left for work, the unit Armed automatically, and within 5 minutes it hung.  Upon return home I found the touchscreen black and not responding, Wifi SSID transmitting but passwords not accepted over Wifi, no response from the web interface, no DHCP on my wired devices (but I could communicate between other wired interfaces with fixed IP addresses using my network switch).

The first hang 3 days ago was 12 minutes after the unit was Armed from the app.

I will file a report with Securifi.
Title: Re: Almond 3S: A Step Backwards?
Post by: Ashok on September 27, 2018, 05:51:47 pm
@ pdxsk8r,

Please do reach our support team ( and rest be would be taken care off.
Title: Re: Almond 3S: A Step Backwards?
Post by: pdxsk8r on October 03, 2018, 01:18:50 pm
My Almond 3S has hung 4 times and froze up 1 time in the last 9 days.  During each hang I lost all capabilities of the router and I had to remove all power and restart.  During the 1 freeze, I lost all capabilities except the ability to pair with wifi.  I do have an open support ticket but I have not received any next steps other than to wait.  My unit was armed during 4 of these events however it was not armed when it hung again last night.
Title: Re: Almond 3S: A Step Backwards?
Post by: macnmod1 on October 14, 2018, 07:46:08 pm
Mine 3S has locked up 4 times as well.  Also, I'm getting crap speed through 5ghz WiFi, perfect when connected directly to modem.
Title: Re: Almond 3S: A Step Backwards?
Post by: Ashok on October 14, 2018, 08:18:41 pm
@ macnmod1,

Let us know a bit more about when it gets locked up and possible to replicate it. How much speed are we getting wired and 5 GHz, is that with multiple clients?
Title: Re: Almond 3S: A Step Backwards?
Post by: macnmod1 on October 17, 2018, 10:50:10 am
The four lockups that I have experienced occurred when I was away from home, at work.  I was unable to complete a remote restart via  When directly connected to my modem, I'm gettin 145-150Mbps down and 4.5-5Mbps up.  On 5Ghz I'm getting like 38-45Mbps down and 2Mbps up.  This is with no other devices online.   By the way, the number of security requirements to log in/post are a tad ridiculous.
Title: Re: Almond 3S: A Step Backwards?
Post by: macnmod1 on October 19, 2018, 11:22:08 am
I locked up again last night.  I uploaded logs to the cloud.  This is getting old, quick.  5Ghz is nearly unusable. 
Title: Re: Almond 3S: A Step Backwards?
Post by: Ashok on October 19, 2018, 01:05:23 pm
@ macnmod1,

Please reach our support team at, might have to replace the unit.