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Sensors and Home Automation => Home automation => Topic started by: burnz on August 25, 2014, 02:03:46 pm

Title: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: burnz on August 25, 2014, 02:03:46 pm
Hi,

i received my almond+ today in germany.
I tried to connect my danfoss living connect but the almond+ says it is not supported.
Could you please add support for them?

http://www.heating.danfoss.com/PCMPDF/Z_wave_commands_VDFNN202_teamcent.pdf

Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: cokeman on August 25, 2014, 04:11:08 pm
Hi

What version of Danfoss are you using, Lars said a+ supports the LC-13 edition, but not the old one (look under the battery cap if firmvare is 2.51 or below) you have the same issue that I have, and Lars and the tech team already have a dump from my setup.

The new LC-13, have a diffrent software and z-wave SDK (4.5) than the old one.

Lars said last week, that support would be soon... I hope hi is right. I'm trying to upgrade all my 14 Danfoss LC, as there is a big error in the software with the old one. Danfoss have said they will replace all my devices due to this error.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: burnz on August 25, 2014, 05:29:10 pm
It is the living connect z 014G0012 so this version should be z-wave capable and supported by third party like fibaro home center..
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: cokeman on August 26, 2014, 10:35:05 am
Yep, but the Danfoss LC that the A+ team have is the new (last digits 13) I hope they get support one day.

But yes the 12 works somewhat with other controllers. I have a vera3, and they are not stable with connection.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: LGNilsson on August 26, 2014, 11:45:18 am
I brought one back with me from Europe last month and I will chase again on this as I know quite a few of our European backers have these.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: Weasy on August 26, 2014, 06:59:31 pm
I have one with a SW 3.02 firmware. Also seen as unsupported device.
Sent my log a few mins ago.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: burnz on August 28, 2014, 09:47:11 am
How do i collect the needed logs?
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: LGNilsson on August 29, 2014, 02:23:18 pm
Add the sensor, Help, Send Logs, type in a description, send.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: DMailMan on September 01, 2014, 08:57:12 am
I wish I had checked here first, but I just bought one of these last week and now discover it's unsupported, so clearly I am interested in when support will be available too. Mine is an LC13 I think (at least it was sold as such), but the battery compartment isn't very clear as to which firmware version it might have. One part says 'living connect Z SW 1.01' which I hope is not the firmware version if others have versions numbered 2 or 3 or more. The website I bought it from reckons it should be based on Z-Wave SDK v4.5.

I can send in logs too if it would help, and am happy to help with testing etc if that would help speed things up.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: xAPPO on September 01, 2014, 10:35:48 am
I have around a dozen Danfoss valves - mixed v12 and v13 ..   Both appear as unsupported in firmware RO65 .   Just to add another request for support for these sensors / TRV's

Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: André on September 12, 2014, 02:39:11 am
I´d also like to sign up for the Danfoss Living Connect Z requester list.
I´ve got 3 old firmware thermostats (Model 014G0012, firmware 2.51, Z-Wave Commands and Classes can be found here: http://www.heating.danfoss.com/PCMPDF/Z_wave_commands_VDFNN202_teamcent.pdf)
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: André on September 12, 2014, 05:40:33 am
Just to add: There is quite a bunch of different hardware and firmware revisions out there, a good overview is here
http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Danfoss_Thermostat_LC#HW_revisions

with the differences in Firmware explained here on page 4  http://heating.danfoss.com/PCMPDF/Danfoss%20Link_living_software-versions_VFIDC102.pdf

Note they released a brand new versoin in Jan 2014, thats the one with part no 014G0013 but I also found reports of devices with the old part -012 at the end that shipped with the 2014 1.00 Firmware...

Bottom line. I think securifi should focus on getting the 014G0012 to work, from the documents it looks like the -013 will work then as well.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: LGNilsson on September 12, 2014, 06:23:19 am
It looks like we have the 1.00/014G0013 version, so let's hope that doesn't cause any problems getting support for the older ones.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: burnz on September 14, 2014, 09:07:42 pm
Have a look:

http://recombu.com/digital/news/devolo-and-d-link-show-off-smart-home-sensors-cameras-and-plugs
http://www.elv.de/devolo-home-control-heizkoerperthermostat.html/bereich/-3/marke/348

seems that this is made by danfoss ;)
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: burnz on October 06, 2014, 09:51:31 am
Any news about danfoss?
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: LGNilsson on October 06, 2014, 10:24:46 am
It'll be in the next firmware release as far as I've been told.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: burnz on October 11, 2014, 09:47:39 am
is there a roadmap for the new firmware?
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: LGNilsson on October 11, 2014, 11:07:04 pm
No, but I expect it to be released this month.
We're implementing a lot of fixes and new features in the next release, so it's been taking a while to get it done.
Initially I guess the Danfoss thermostats will only work in the LCD UI, until we catch up and add customs UI's in all of the other interfaces.
As these thermostats are a bit different from US style HVAC systems, we're doing a simplified UI since you're technically only setting a target temperature, you don't have heating and cooling and as such it's not as simple as just adding support for these devices, as they need a new UI.
The good news is that most, if not all types Z-Wave "SetPointThermostats" will work, not just the Danfoss ones, once we release this firmware update.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: Reini on December 03, 2014, 09:53:42 am
hey,
i`ve got 3 brand new danfoss setpoint thermostat 014G0002 with software version 4.02. I thought, with the new firmware update R069 this Sensor would be compatible with the almond+.
Almond recognizes the thermostats. On the LCD UI- connected sensors they are all visible, but if I'm going to change the setpoint temperature of one sensor I get only an error at the input field (0.00 °#ER) and the battery status appears as low.
Has anybody got the same problems? are there some possible solutions to get these sensors running?

Reinhard
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: LGNilsson on December 03, 2014, 10:11:21 am
Those are the old ones that there's apparently some problems with. The nice thing is that they don't tell you what you end up buying in most cases. Please contact Danfoss to have them replace them with version 1.00/014G0003.
We have other people using them and they're working fine.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: Electron on December 15, 2014, 03:30:12 am
Hi,
i got a new danfoss thermostat 014G0013 with software version 1.01 and it does not work properly with the almond+ :-(
The almond+ is running with the R069 firmware.

Web-UI: thermostat is not supported
LCD-UI: recognizes the thermostat, but i can not set the temperature; it does not save the value
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: LGNilsson on December 15, 2014, 04:13:13 am
Hmm, that's surprising. It seems to be a different software version though, so I dunno what Danfoss has changed.
Can you go to Help, Send Logs and send us a log explaining that this is a Danfoss Living connect with a new firmware?
No guarantees though.
This is the kind of thing that we have no control over though.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: Electron on December 16, 2014, 09:47:29 am
i sent the logs and a short info... i hope, that it will help to support the new version...
by the way, the danfoss was bought in germany.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: LGNilsson on December 16, 2014, 10:32:44 am
If that doesn't help, we'll try to get hold of one of the "new" ones. The best thing is, we can't even upgrade ourselves to that firmware...
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: casey on January 12, 2015, 12:21:13 pm
See this http://cz.spotrebitel.danfoss.com/PCMPDF/Danfoss%20Link_living_software-versions_VFIDC502.pdf (http://cz.spotrebitel.danfoss.com/PCMPDF/Danfoss%20Link_living_software-versions_VFIDC502.pdf)
Page 4, the last table.

Living Connect - sw version 2.06 - Z-wave protocol - Yes
Living Connect - sw versions 3.02, 3.04, 4.02 - Z-wave protocol - No (it's my version :( )
Living Connect Z - sw versions 2.50, 2.51, 1.00, 1.01 - Z-wave protocol - Yes
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: Electron on January 21, 2015, 11:45:51 am
Hi Lars,
do you got a new one? Any News?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: LGNilsson on January 22, 2015, 12:14:32 am
It won't be until after MWC, but the problem is, if we order something online, it's not as if we'll know what version we get.
I'm really not sure how to solve this issue, especially if they're going to continue to release incremental updates and continue with their messy and unclear versioning.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: psixilambda on February 08, 2015, 07:15:48 am
Hi everybody,

I've installed a Danfoss Living Connect Z (marketed on Amazon as LC13) SW1.01. (details below)

I can confirm it associates fine with the Almond+, I can control temperature on thermostat and on the Almond+ GUI. And changes are send to thermostat or Almond+ respectively where they show up. What does not work is the WebUI or the Almond App where it shows up as unsupported.
 
Lars can you confirm that the SW1.00 is working in WebUI and the Almond App? As this is necessary for the Rules to work (or set up). If it does would you lease explain how the WebUI and Almond App determine if a device is supported. Reason being the basic command set of SW1.00 and SW1.01 have not changed so there is no reason it should show up a unsupported

Are you able to set wake up interval (Command_Class_Wake_Up)? To save battery life? The default is 300 seconds which wastes a lot of battery on the thermostat.

Thanks Alex

More specifically the zwcfg_home.xml
Product Type: 0005 ID:0004

Library version: 6
Protocol version 3.67
Application version: 1.01
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: LGNilsson on February 11, 2015, 02:29:28 am
I'm checking, I think with the new firmware and new apps, all of this should work a bit better, but as I don't have a sample with me, I don't know.
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: psixilambda on April 08, 2015, 08:58:05 am
Lars, any new on the Danfoss LC 13?

In the latest builds R72 it shows as unsupported on the Web UI.

So far in Germany the LC13 has been the most readily available Z-Wave thermostat. With the launch of the Devolo Smart Home line (http://www.devolo.com/microsites/homecontrol/produkte.php#heizkoerperthermostat) I believe they will be surpassed. But the Thermostat by Devolo is a rebranded Version of exactly the LC13.

Whats your take on this market? As I've written before it registers and the local UI on the Router (direct LCD) work. However without proper implementation in WebUI, Rules and some basic configuration (foremost Wake up interval) its basically just a dumb thermostat and the Almond+ a router with a limited use Z-Wave interface (at least for people invested in Danfoss / Devolo)

Thanks
Alex
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Edit:
Please modify the List of compatible sensors to reflect that the most current software version of the LC 13 (1.01) is not supported. Currently it shows as supported and tested by Securify which I believe is only true for the SW 1.00
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: burnz on April 19, 2015, 04:36:52 pm
Do you need anything to support these danfoss devices? Logfiles? Support documents? Anything else?

Would love the see it working..
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: sTaney on June 28, 2015, 07:28:19 am
I've bought two Danfoss LC-13 both with firmware 1.0.1 and they work perfectly well with the Almond+
Within the iOS App they are shown as unsupported devices, within the Android App they are fully compatible and I can change every value, the same for the WEBUI. Only thing on Android and WEBUI is that the temperature is shown as Fahrenheit and I need Celsius. On the Almond+ itself its celsius.

Do you have any Information on when they will be supported by the iOS App have the toggle for °C or °F?
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: baubau on November 03, 2015, 02:27:50 am
Hi !

I have LC 13 sw 1.01 and it''s working with a+ but when I try to change temp with android or web app a msg says coulc not change, please try again...

Have you got some solution ?

The battery go down quickly... is it possible to increase that ?
Title: Re: Danfoss Living Connect
Post by: Ashok on November 04, 2015, 08:06:52 am
@ baubau,

Try to reboot the Almond+ and ensure that it is connected to the Internet and then try to change the temp on Android app or Web UI, let us know the status.

Coming to the battery getting drained quickly depends upon the device interval for contacting the controller and we can't do much on this for now.