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Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensor
« on: August 18, 2014, 09:28:10 pm »
Results with using Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensors:
Pairing - No issues. Detected right away. Asked what type of sensor it was (defaulted to Other Sensor) and selected Motion Sensor.
Connection - No apparent issues.
Function - Non-functional. All of these (I have tried 3 separate ones so far) show as Motion Detected on the Almond+ at all times. Even when there is absolutely no motion (one is even aimed at a wall). All 3 are on power supplies so that there could be no battery issues.

Unless anyone has any other recommendations, it would appear these are currently a no-go.
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Re: Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensor
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2014, 06:58:17 am »
Can you please add one, go to Help in the LCD UI, then Send logs and send us a log. Please type the model name into the text box provided.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensor
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2014, 05:12:22 pm »
Done as of a minute ago. Hope it helps. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
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Re: Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensor
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2014, 03:36:38 pm »
I just noticed another problem and sent a log for it. Sensor #9, one of the motion sensors, is reporting 100% battery and the motion issue... Except #9 was unplugged on Thursday. No idea why Almond+ would still report statuses for it, thus the log.

An oddity is that they all report 100% battery but are plugged in. I think this is probably a limitation of the protocol, but if not that should be in the log also.
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Re: Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensor
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2014, 10:56:16 pm »
Are you saying these motion sensors can be powered by a DC power adapter? This would be why the battery would always be reported as full, as it's based on the current, nothing else.

As long as you don't remove a sensor from the UI, it will be stuck on its last state, but it seems like we should have some kind of means in place for reporting a disconnected sensor. I'll discuss this next week with the software team.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensor
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 08:29:53 am »
Yes, these motion sensors can be on battery and/or plugged in. When plugged in they also get to act as Z-Wave repeaters. Since their locations allow it I plugged them in. I figured that was why they show 100% and thought it would be outside Securifi's ability to distinguish, but felt I should note it.

As for the state, I would definitely think that any sensor that no longer responds to the Almond+ queries should be flagged and marked as not responding. That could be sign of a problem, damage, or tampering... Etc...

I guess that also raises a question for me. How often does the Almond+ poll the sensors, or does it just wait for a senior state change, or some combination thereof? Probably good to know this and have it noted.
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Re: Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensor
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2014, 02:32:39 pm »
Indeed, it should, but I'm afraid I didn't get a chance to bring this issue up as yet.
Once we have notifications in place in the mobile app, this is one of the things that should ping up.

I'd have to check about the polling, as I don't have an answer for that.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensor
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2016, 07:50:04 pm »
I know this is very delayed... but I wanted to correct the status on here and provide more information.

The Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensor DOES work with the Almond+. There are a number of things I would not about it, at least as of R083 (actually earlier releases, but they still exist in R083).
1) Pairing is fairly simple. To re-pair the sensor after removing it, make sure all power is removed (batteries AND plug). Then press and hold the activation button and give the sensor power again (easiest is a 9v plug, but batteries is fine). For a moment the sensor will blink the normal red light AND a white light to let you know it was reset. It should start pairing at this point. Sometimes pressing the activation button twice after this point is needed but not usually.
2) I have only been able to successfully pair it within short range of the Almond+. It SHOULD pair over the mesh network but I have never succeeded in doing so.
3) The device is supposed to work as a Z-Wave repeater when powered by a plug and not batteries. I have never seen any indication this works with the Almond+, but this is one of those things that is tough to tell in general.
4) Range is highly variable but I have NEVER gotten one to work over the mesh network and report it's status consistently. The furthest I have ever had one reach is ~20' (with 1 wall between it and the Almond+). I have 6 of them and of those one will work only if it is in the same room as the Almond+. You might note this is WELL below the 50' indoor and 100' outdoor supposed ratings for these.
5) The motion detection has a couple options. The labeling for these is on the back inside cover of the battery compartment. Pay attention to the orientation and the power plug because the switch controlling the setting corresponds to that. There are options for pulse and 5/10/15 minute settings. What these mean is that with pulse motion is detected and as soon as it is stops the sensor sends back it stopped. In the case of the 5/10/15 minute settings, these are how long before it will turn off the motion notice and check again. For example, if set for 10 minutes and motion is triggered the sensor will state that there is motion for 10 minutes. At the end of those 10 minutes it will check again. If there is still motion it will declare motion still. If not, it will declare no motion.
6) The activation button also turns the sensor on/off. If the button is pressed and the red LED blinks every couple seconds the motion sensor is OFF. It will not detect any motion. If pressed again, the LED will stay off and motion will be detected. Many people consider this backwards. In the case of a non-obtrusive (or semi-hidden) system this makes sense though.
7) The sensor is pretty power-hungry. If not using a power plug it will go through batteries pretty quick (not exactly sure how quick though) and especially if it is in pulse mode.

They refer to a programming document in the manual... but that document has NEVER apparently been found by anyone and has never been given out. A couple links have popped over time but they are all long dead by now. So exactly what can be programmed is something of a mystery.
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Re: Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensor
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2016, 10:15:13 am »
@ fillibar,

2) I have only been able to successfully pair it within short range of the Almond+. It SHOULD pair over the mesh network but I have never succeeded in doing so.

Pairing with mesh networking is not supported yet.

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Re: Intermatic CA9000 Motion Sensor
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2016, 01:38:15 pm »
OK then. I have gotten some hardwired devices to pair at extended range (both Quirky Tapt switches paired at ~15-20ft) but I guess those were still direct, not over the mesh.
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